Why I hate telemarketers
I have an ex-directory phone number. I have this for two reasons – one that I had a very unpleasant stalking experience while living in university accommodation that I’d rather not repeat (this is also why I try and maintain some form of Internet anonymity) and the other is that I cannot stand telemarketers and would like to make it as hard as possible for them to get my information. It worked for a couple of years too.
I am generally polite with call centre workers for the most part because I know the kind of work they’re doing is hard and nasty and completely unappreciated; it’s not their fault that they have to follow Virgin Media’s “Cable Modem Diagnosis for Morons” script sheet whenever I call up, and at least the Indian call centre workers are generally polite if useless. (Top tip: if you know what you’re talking about, go to the USENET support.broadband groups, where there are technicians around who know how their network actually works.)
I see no obligation, however, to be polite to telemarketers. Telemarketers are taking up your time. They invade your privacy. They feel entitled to force themselves on you; they’re just the same as spammers, stalkers, script kiddies and fundamentalists. I can appreciate that it is not the call centre operatives who make four-second silent calls to my phone line who are at fault here, that they’re just doing what their bosses and their computer systems tell them to, but I feel no remorse when I tell them that I don’t answer telemarketing calls and put the phone down before they can respond.
All the calls I seem to get right now are survey calls. I’ve had ICM and MORI, one of whom on being told I was ex-directory told me they got my number from a random number generator. Obviously that’s how it started; once out the random generator, it got sold on as a positive lead. I’ve had people who just say “we’re doing market research”, as I just had half an hour ago. I’ve had recorded messages telling me that I’ve won stuff and to dial 0901 SCAMMER. I’ve never asked to be put on a list; I don’t want to be on any telemarketing lists, I cannot stand being interrupted by some scumbag who wants to persuade me to buy New Tory, Let’s Try Harder or whatever it is they’re actually trying to sell me.
If telemarketing was as ethical an industry as those who promote it claim it to be, they would stop making silent calls, stop the use of recorded messages, stop calling people who plainly don’t want to be called, and stop selling number lists. But they won’t do that, even though by not calling people who don’t want to be called will decrease annoyance factor for people like me and increase the number of actual takers of telemarketed products, because they want to annoy me. They sincerely believe that by calling someone a hundred times they might pay up to make them go away. That’s why telemarketing simply cannot be ethical; because no-one really wants to be sold to on demand. It’s exploiting those who simply don’t know how to say no, the elderly in particular.
I thought I’d said no pretty strongly by having an unlisted number, ticking the DON’T SELL MY DETAILS box on the electoral register and being forthright with those who call me. But they simply cannot be reasoned with.
Which is why the fact that the telemarketing industry is allowed to run their own regulator (the DMA) is extremely worrying – no wonder silent calls and recorded messages aren’t dealt with. The do-not-call register – the Telephone Preference Service, or TPS – is run by the DMA, and expires your number off every so often; what’s more, this means that if you register the telescum have your number on a list which might as well marked “IN 12 MONTHS, YOU CAN CALL THIS DUMBASS AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE”. But quite frankly it’s the only option I have left to stop the deluge of marketing calls.
The good news is that as Jon Ronson pointed out in this Guardian article, 100,000 of us are signing up every week, too many to ignore. And this will kill the telemarketing industry. Do it.
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Exactly, the telemarketing calls is harassment, so there is no need to be polite. The more polite you are, the more time you lose. They invade you privacy and try to manipulate. If you want to buy some product, I am sure you are able to do it without them. We do not need spam, junk mail and telemarkting calls to know what we need. We know what we need when we need it.
One of my favorite telemarketer scumbags is a guy named Richard Salvador aka Richard Dunbar of Great Northwest Advertising (http://www.penslinger.net). Richard spoofs his caller id using http://www.spoofcard.com. Richard served 5 years (was sentenced to 9) for his part in one of the nations largest telemarketing scams in U.S. history. He was targeting and ripping off senior citizens. The FBI sting operation was called “operation disconnect” and another called “senior sentinal”. Richard routinely threatens to kill people. Customers, competitors, empolyees etc. He likes to record himself doing so using spoofcards recording features. Richard recently put his 14 year old daughter in the hospital. Apparently he considers himself a big martial arts action hero with over 4 MONTHS of extensive training. His ex wife and daughter are now in hiding. He uses methamphetamines and steroids. He was kicked out of the U.S. Marine Corps for selling dope. Check out Richard threatening to bash peoples skulls open and shoot his competitors in the head:
Great Northwest Advertising customer service policy:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hvnzXviks3A
Richard threatening his competition with a bullet to the head:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=azEFPdMKP7E
Richard lives at 4149 Ridgewood Ave.
Bellingham, WA
Home:360-714-0038
Cell:360-820-8220
He is currently a felon with an extensive stolen firearms collection.
If there was an award for stupidity, this guy would be the world champion.
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Hello Rick, or Rick McKay, or your real name, Dave Gross. It’s funny how you bitch about telemarketers but have made a long living doing it yourself!
I find it quite amusing when people bitch and complain about telemarketers when you actually willingly give your information out when you purchase items and give out your email address/telephone number. Have you ever thought that the company you most recently purchased from has your information and is legally entitled to contact you by any means they see fit in regards to that product or other products related to your recent purchase (including an outsourced company contracted by your product’s manufacturer, and will be used for other products sold by that same outsourced company)? Your number doesn’t get sold to other companies, these are actual service calls that you agreed to in the first place. These are the really “nasty” people, the so called “4 second silence” calls. The reason there is a 4 second silence is because a computer makes the call, the person on the other end has no control over what number is dialed of whom they speak to. They simply have the unpleasant experience to get a total asshat fuck-tard like you on the other end. It’s a fucking job, give them some slack.
I understand the feeling that your time is valuable because mine is too (more than yours apparently, so SHUT THE FUCK UP), but what happens when the surveys stop? What happens when companies stop trying to sell you stuff? Would you think it’s terrible when the AP can’t get accurate readings on presidential approval ratings, or that your favorite retailer went out of business because you refused a service call? Shame on you for complaining about something YOU started and YOU support and YOU agreed to in the first place.
You have every right to not take the call, use caller ID, screen your calls with an answering machine, or politely tell them to take you off the list. These are acceptable methods to stop the “nuisance” you started yourself. Simply hanging up without saying anything or insulting them and screaming at the top of your lungs will do nothing because you have not actually stated clearly and concisely that you wish not to receive these calls anymore.
Oh, and please don’t bother to purchase anything else that requires a telephone number or email address anymore… You’ll just start the cycle all over again, and I can’t wait to call you and try to sell you more useless shit every 5 minutes for the rest of your life, you fucking asshat. This included you too, Mr. Jerry, I can’t wait to call you again (hugs and kisses bitch-ass).